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Heart Sutra

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 5:27 am
by jisbell00
Heart Sutra


There is no water in the cup.
How are we
to drink our fill?

There is no cup, no water.
How are we
to give this learning up?

Out of the tunnel
comes nobody whatsoever.

Re: Heart Sutra

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 12:00 pm
by Macavity
Especially enjoyed the first two stanzas John. The philosophy of emptying/emptiness is appealing.

Re: Heart Sutra

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 1:28 pm
by CalebPerry
I'm on my way to bed, but just want to say I like it. If this were mine, I'd keep working on it to see what images I could come up with for the stanzas, possibly increasing their number. I've been listening to Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" lately, and man, I love the images he came up with for that poem -- especially the later version that had more stanzas.

Re: Heart Sutra

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 1:53 pm
by jisbell00
Hi Phil, hi Caleb,

I’m glad to hear you both enjoyed this one! I did try to make it as empty as possible. OTOH, I read it to a Zen monk one day and he was puzzled. The Heart Sutra is a key (and very short) Buddhist text.

Caleb, I share your love for the song Hallelujah, it’s brilliant. I can imagine this poem with more going on, but as I was saying, my goal was to be as empty as possible, on the principle that less is more. it’s a bit of a contrast with the rest of the MS>, which tends to get chatty. I’m hoping folks will find it refreshing!
So for the moment, I’ll probably leave it to sit on the page.

Cheers both,
John

Re: Nobody Whatsoever

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 3:45 pm
by jisbell00
I've restored what is likely a better title.

Cheers,
John

Re: Nobody Whatsoever

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:55 pm
by CalebPerry
John, I wasn't thinking about this poem in the context of your manuscript. I should have considered that.

Please note that I just reread a thread from 2022 and discovered that I inadvertently snubbed you. Please read the PM I just sent you about the incident.

Re: Nobody Whatsoever

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 10:12 pm
by jisbell00
Well, ideally, each poem should stand alone as well as being part of a whole. I think there's value in asking that question of each.

I've responded to your thoughtful PM. :)

Cheers,
John

Re: Nobody Whatsoever

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 10:35 pm
by Macavity
The original title, Heart Sutra, was a way into the poem for me.

Re: Nobody Whatsoever

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:51 am
by jisbell00
Oh! Thanks Phil, I'll restore it.

CHeers,
John