Paprika Sunset

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ray miller
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Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:22 am

I’d like to take that throat
scarf-wrapped and sonorous
scrawling paprika sunset canvas
spitting in the wind
like gravity’s for idiots
shopping at Prada
for wellington boots
hey honey should I go
this road or the other
as if I give a damn about
here come the soccer moms
shining with saccharin
and biblical parables
waving up and down
the tree-lined boulevards
where blossom falls flat
as last Sunday’s sermons
practising abstinence
in ermine underwear
exhort your captain to capture
the moment and howl
salvation in some place other
than my bins ravenously
chewed and swallowed
leaving bags of shit
piled up like flowers
at a roadside fatality
and squeeze the living
daylights out of it
I'm out of faith and in my cups
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
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Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:02 pm

Ouf! The parataxis reminds me a bit of John AShbery - all disjointed ideas jumbled together in a heap. People generally like AShbery more than I do, but here, i think it has more organic necessity than Ashbery tends to come up with - it's all about the throat, from beginning to end. I liked the soccer moms and the shit, but the whole spew of local detail hangs together, to my mind. A bit brutal, mind you.

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John
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Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:16 am

A peppered perspective Ray, but I did enjoy the form. I thought you might have those dog bags tied to tree branches. Now that really annoys me! I did 'like' the flower image.
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Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:27 am

There's something very compelling about this stream-of-consciousness poem. In years past I might have labelled it "gibberish", one of my favorite words, but it isn't. It is, in a way, a list poem, throwing one image after another at the reader, all of them somehow emotionally related.

I think I have said this before, but all humans are of two minds: The daytime's logical mind, and the nighttime's emotional mind. While falling asleep and in dreams, the mind will throw up image after image which are related at some emotional level that we don't notice during the day. A poem which can capture that progression may not make a great deal of logical sense, but will make sense to the reader's intuition. I think you have done that here.
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Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:09 am

Hello Ray,

Nothing to offer but praise for this one. You had me completely hooked with those first four lines. And that ending, reeling us right back in again. (no idea why I've ended up with fishing metaphors here, but there you go).

This bit's just inspired!
ray miller wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:22 am
leaving bags of shit
piled up like flowers
at a roadside fatality
Bloody brilliant.

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Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:12 am

Just re-reading it. Is the use of 'howl' a cheeky nod to Ginsberg?
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Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:10 pm

Thanks all. It is, as John says, all about the throat. I think I read a poem some time about a paprika sunset which aroused my contempt - it doesn't take much. Anyway, hello John Nash, some years ennit? Yeah, I'm no great admirer of Ginsberg, either.
I'm out of faith and in my cups
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
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Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:17 pm

Hi Ray,

I'm not a big fan of Ginsberg's either but i do like this tribute to Walt Whitman. It's fairly short: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/ ... california

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John
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:46 am

Yeah, I quite enjoyed that Ginsberg poem. As you say, fairly short.
I'm out of faith and in my cups
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am

Which is quite unsual for him in my experience!

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John
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