I think tastes in poetry are very fragmented John.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/ ... ompetition.
A poem that I read today by Mac
Hi Phil,
I think you're right and I respect your ecumenicalism. However, i do think as people have moved away from rhyme and meter, people's ears have atrophied and stuff passes for rhyme and meter that previous generations would have found disappointing. Dawn-morn, for instance, a rhyme you'd have to pay me good money, and a substantial sum, to get me to write. Morn I think is a dead word, and using it to get a rhyme with dawn just makes it worse. It's lazy and does not compliment one's readers.
Cheers,
John
I think you're right and I respect your ecumenicalism. However, i do think as people have moved away from rhyme and meter, people's ears have atrophied and stuff passes for rhyme and meter that previous generations would have found disappointing. Dawn-morn, for instance, a rhyme you'd have to pay me good money, and a substantial sum, to get me to write. Morn I think is a dead word, and using it to get a rhyme with dawn just makes it worse. It's lazy and does not compliment one's readers.
Cheers,
John
Yup! You and I have different tastes. Yours is probably broader than mine is, at least in terms of modern English-language poetry. But I stand by my comment on rhyme, that useful musical device, and how it works.
Cheers,
John
Cheers,
John
Always remember the use of morn at the end of this poem...
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/ ... -innocence
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/ ... -innocence
...but Blake has a timeless quality John
Time to resurrect morn...
https://www.proleartthreat.co.uk/forum/ ... 17#p231596
Time to resurrect morn...https://www.proleartthreat.co.uk/forum/ ... 17#p231596
Ah! Well yes, timeless is a good word for Blake, his poems seem to stand outside time's passage.
Caleb's use of morn bothers me a fair bit less, it's not rhyme-driven (and somewhat ineptly so). It is honest and doing yeoman's work, not bent to fit a slipshod rhyme scheme. Of course, i did just tell Caleb that i feel bide is dead and can't be resurrected. Except in the phrase to bide one's time.
These are all very interesting questions. Here is some pretty nice modern rhyming IMO: https://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis ... ttage.html
Cheers,
John
Caleb's use of morn bothers me a fair bit less, it's not rhyme-driven (and somewhat ineptly so). It is honest and doing yeoman's work, not bent to fit a slipshod rhyme scheme. Of course, i did just tell Caleb that i feel bide is dead and can't be resurrected. Except in the phrase to bide one's time.
These are all very interesting questions. Here is some pretty nice modern rhyming IMO: https://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis ... ttage.html
Cheers,
John
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When I click on that link, I get my poem The Matchmaker. Didn't you mean to link to a Blake poem?Macavity wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:11 am...but Blake has a timeless quality John
https://www.proleartthreat.co.uk/forum/ ... 17#p231596
Oh oh oh, I see. You were talking about "morn" and I just used it in a poem. I must say, when someone references a poem of mine for any reason -- especially you, Phil -- it makes me feel like I've "arrived".
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If you don't like the black theme, it is easy to switch to a lighter color. Just ask me how.
If I don't critique your poem, it is probably because I don't understand it.
If you don't like the black theme, it is easy to switch to a lighter color. Just ask me how.
If I don't critique your poem, it is probably because I don't understand it.
Caleb, the end of all your arriving will be to see that you’ve never left.
Phil, thanks for those links toEliot. He was a massive influence on me 40 years ago, and I’ve spent decades not reading him. But he is transformational. These days, I just reread Yeats, which is kind of stupid. But Yeats sings in my ears.
Cheers,
John
Phil, thanks for those links toEliot. He was a massive influence on me 40 years ago, and I’ve spent decades not reading him. But he is transformational. These days, I just reread Yeats, which is kind of stupid. But Yeats sings in my ears.
Cheers,
John
I'm not that much engaged by Yeats, his politics and beliefs, I find Eliot a more engaging read. However, sifting his poems, reading the notes on them in my book, and watching lectures on YouTube, has helped me to appreciate him more.
certainly not John.